I think one other factor here that you missed is Susannah drilling into them from a young age that Belly was FATED to end up with ONE of her boys. So if Conrad didn't work out, it's time to see if Option B does. And because they think it's what their mom would have wanted, the boys are going along with it as well.
Your references to the Conrad-esque archetypes of your generation went over my head but for the younger millennials, it's very Edward vs Jacob. The moody guy you just can't read but somehow it feels like it's written in the stars. And the nicer, simpler, best friend who is maybe better for you long term but he's "just not Edward"... The black cat vs golden retriever energy.
As a 29yo watching without a daughter.. I agree, Team No One.
Ah this is an excellent point. I don't really think I gave that much weight to what Susannah was saying but I can see how it would be very impressionable for the kids hearing it since they were little! And I can see how the boys would think they were fulfilling her dying wish. And Jeremiah very specifically feeling like that was a way to be the golden child retroactively.
I think initially I was thinking Jeremiah was more the best friend guy who you realize you really have feelings for, but then realized he was just problematic for different reasons. Making himself seem obviously available but more interested in the conquest than the prize. At least that's what I think is going to happen.
I disagree that Jeremiah only liked Belly when she turned pretty, they have shown a lot of flash backs to how close they were. I also think he does truly care for her, and she stomped his heart starting up with him while still hoping for Conrad and then jumping ship the moment Conrad finally showed interest. She does bother me in how she is leading both on - make a choice and stick to it. You chose Conrad, stop trying to get Jeremiah back as anything as a friend. He has been so honest with how he feels about her, she owes the poor guy the same. I think Jeremiah is too sweet, and highly damaged right now by losing his mom, he doesn't need the heartstrings being pulled.
I did not read the books, but I am team "what the hell is Belly doing??" I have spent almost no time thinking about which guy she should end up with because I can't get over how selfish she's being. Who throws a tantrum at a funeral! Those 16 year old hormones and insecurities are raging, I get it, and she just wants that magical summer love...but I'm rooting for both brothers to band together and let her know she can't mess with their hearts anymore. Allie Isnardi brings up a good point about Susannah though, and whether there is something happening for all three of them related to wanting to fulfill her dream that's causing them all to act a little out of control.
And for the record - I'm team Jordan Catalano for life.
Did not read the books, but really enjoyed last season. In my opinion, this season the characters have somehow become more immature and insufferable. I’m about to quit! It’s just hard for me to watch. But for the record, I was team Jordan to my core! 😝
I am team Jeremiah but also team no one. I think being with someone should make you happy 95% of time like Jeremiah. And make you feel safe and secure in the relationship and yourself. That being said, team no one because they ARE brothers and it will never work out! Also I am missing the parental aspects during season 2. I miss the moms in the background. Looking forward to next episode after she called her mom!
I am 48 years old and I’m Team No One. BUT, would be not object to Team Conrad. My daughter is 18 and we are not watching all the episodes together but we talk about them after we watch it. I agree with many of the comments. I would like the boys to work out their stuff with each other and leave Belly behind. Most of us have experienced young love, if we knew back then, what we know now, then we would handle ourselves differently. That is what growing up is about. We hope to learn from our experiences. There will always be something about young love! I think I need to read the books.
Well, I read the books, way before they were a serie. I re-read them when I heard about the serie. I understand they have to change things, is TV after all. And, I will always be team books are better than the adaptations. Mazzy should read them, are way better and fill some gaps. Maybe that can re-affirm the team Conrad 😉
My 14 year old is also Team Conrad and I can’t really decide. You brought up a lot of good points and I’m thinking that she won’t end up with either of them at the end. But who knows!
I am team Jeremiah right now (although I haven’t read the books). I married a “Conrad” after dating him off and on for 11 years(!) and named my two sons Jordan (after Catalano) and Jake (after Ryan) which tells you all you need to know about how I view love and chemistry. Now that I’m older, it’s easier to see that the friendship and adoration of someone like Jeremiah will long outlast the chemistry of Conrad… it’s hard to see that when you’re young. I also feel the need to say that as a Mom to two boys, if a girl ever played with the emotions of both of them the way Belly seems to, I would be furious!
Yeah I did not enjoy books 2 and 3 at all. The story ran out of steam imo and got too dramatic. Im kind of happy the tv show so far is not an exact copy. But my brain still tells me “Jeremiah is a childish douche” based on the books 😆
I wonder if the 3rd season will play out like the books? There have been big things happen in the show that were off from the book too. Time will tell.
I just have to add that yes I too was a team Ben and Jordan for much the same reasons. Also because they seemed more intense than most boys their age (and mine at the time) but I had to add that another one that falls in this category is Jess from Gilmore Girls! Ugh we do we like this emotionally distant and immature broody dudes! I am team no one as well, but no matter what I am against Jeremiah he has stalkery vibes that creep me out. Always lurking! (I agree with Mazzy- Go away Jeremiah!")
I haven’t seen a single episode but I hear all about it from my 12 yr old. I showed her this article and the emotions it elicited! Holy moly! She 100% agrees that Jeremiah is a lurker which drives her crazy. She’s very much team Conrad but honestly can’t stand Belly. She doesn’t like the way she treats either boy. She’s selfish and annoying - her words.
I’m actually watching with my son (12) and husband! My son is team Jeremiah. Mostly because he thinks he is cool and funny and that Conrad is too much drama to deal with. Husband and I are Cam Cameron fans! Although she doesn’t deserve him. My son got lots of cool points with his girl friends when he mentioned he was watching it. But I’ve had him watching teen rom coms with me for a while now! What about team Dawson or Pacey?!? I’m team Pacey!
I think one other factor here that you missed is Susannah drilling into them from a young age that Belly was FATED to end up with ONE of her boys. So if Conrad didn't work out, it's time to see if Option B does. And because they think it's what their mom would have wanted, the boys are going along with it as well.
Your references to the Conrad-esque archetypes of your generation went over my head but for the younger millennials, it's very Edward vs Jacob. The moody guy you just can't read but somehow it feels like it's written in the stars. And the nicer, simpler, best friend who is maybe better for you long term but he's "just not Edward"... The black cat vs golden retriever energy.
As a 29yo watching without a daughter.. I agree, Team No One.
Ah this is an excellent point. I don't really think I gave that much weight to what Susannah was saying but I can see how it would be very impressionable for the kids hearing it since they were little! And I can see how the boys would think they were fulfilling her dying wish. And Jeremiah very specifically feeling like that was a way to be the golden child retroactively.
I think initially I was thinking Jeremiah was more the best friend guy who you realize you really have feelings for, but then realized he was just problematic for different reasons. Making himself seem obviously available but more interested in the conquest than the prize. At least that's what I think is going to happen.
I disagree that Jeremiah only liked Belly when she turned pretty, they have shown a lot of flash backs to how close they were. I also think he does truly care for her, and she stomped his heart starting up with him while still hoping for Conrad and then jumping ship the moment Conrad finally showed interest. She does bother me in how she is leading both on - make a choice and stick to it. You chose Conrad, stop trying to get Jeremiah back as anything as a friend. He has been so honest with how he feels about her, she owes the poor guy the same. I think Jeremiah is too sweet, and highly damaged right now by losing his mom, he doesn't need the heartstrings being pulled.
I agree with this as well!
I did not read the books, but I am team "what the hell is Belly doing??" I have spent almost no time thinking about which guy she should end up with because I can't get over how selfish she's being. Who throws a tantrum at a funeral! Those 16 year old hormones and insecurities are raging, I get it, and she just wants that magical summer love...but I'm rooting for both brothers to band together and let her know she can't mess with their hearts anymore. Allie Isnardi brings up a good point about Susannah though, and whether there is something happening for all three of them related to wanting to fulfill her dream that's causing them all to act a little out of control.
And for the record - I'm team Jordan Catalano for life.
Very true about Belly. I think the series is loosely based on Sabrina (what they watched at the drive-in, a little Easter egg).
Me too 😆
I'm Team Susannah Should Have Never Said Belly Was Destined to Wind Up With One of Her Boys, Because Yikes.
But I do ship Taylor and Steve. And Cam Cameron and Skye!
I am team Noel. Ben always bugged me, he was so wishy washy. Noel always loved her.
Did not read the books, but really enjoyed last season. In my opinion, this season the characters have somehow become more immature and insufferable. I’m about to quit! It’s just hard for me to watch. But for the record, I was team Jordan to my core! 😝
I am team Jeremiah but also team no one. I think being with someone should make you happy 95% of time like Jeremiah. And make you feel safe and secure in the relationship and yourself. That being said, team no one because they ARE brothers and it will never work out! Also I am missing the parental aspects during season 2. I miss the moms in the background. Looking forward to next episode after she called her mom!
I am 48 years old and I’m Team No One. BUT, would be not object to Team Conrad. My daughter is 18 and we are not watching all the episodes together but we talk about them after we watch it. I agree with many of the comments. I would like the boys to work out their stuff with each other and leave Belly behind. Most of us have experienced young love, if we knew back then, what we know now, then we would handle ourselves differently. That is what growing up is about. We hope to learn from our experiences. There will always be something about young love! I think I need to read the books.
Well, I read the books, way before they were a serie. I re-read them when I heard about the serie. I understand they have to change things, is TV after all. And, I will always be team books are better than the adaptations. Mazzy should read them, are way better and fill some gaps. Maybe that can re-affirm the team Conrad 😉
My 14 year old is also Team Conrad and I can’t really decide. You brought up a lot of good points and I’m thinking that she won’t end up with either of them at the end. But who knows!
I am team Jeremiah right now (although I haven’t read the books). I married a “Conrad” after dating him off and on for 11 years(!) and named my two sons Jordan (after Catalano) and Jake (after Ryan) which tells you all you need to know about how I view love and chemistry. Now that I’m older, it’s easier to see that the friendship and adoration of someone like Jeremiah will long outlast the chemistry of Conrad… it’s hard to see that when you’re young. I also feel the need to say that as a Mom to two boys, if a girl ever played with the emotions of both of them the way Belly seems to, I would be furious!
Noel and Ben that’s Felicity right? I was team Noel.
If/when you read the books you’ll understand why no one is team Jeremiah. But yeah...
I hate they did him dirty in the last book. It just seemed so out of character, and too easy a way out.
Yeah I did not enjoy books 2 and 3 at all. The story ran out of steam imo and got too dramatic. Im kind of happy the tv show so far is not an exact copy. But my brain still tells me “Jeremiah is a childish douche” based on the books 😆
I wonder if the 3rd season will play out like the books? There have been big things happen in the show that were off from the book too. Time will tell.
I just have to add that yes I too was a team Ben and Jordan for much the same reasons. Also because they seemed more intense than most boys their age (and mine at the time) but I had to add that another one that falls in this category is Jess from Gilmore Girls! Ugh we do we like this emotionally distant and immature broody dudes! I am team no one as well, but no matter what I am against Jeremiah he has stalkery vibes that creep me out. Always lurking! (I agree with Mazzy- Go away Jeremiah!")
I haven’t seen a single episode but I hear all about it from my 12 yr old. I showed her this article and the emotions it elicited! Holy moly! She 100% agrees that Jeremiah is a lurker which drives her crazy. She’s very much team Conrad but honestly can’t stand Belly. She doesn’t like the way she treats either boy. She’s selfish and annoying - her words.
Guess I’ll have to read or watch soon.
I’m actually watching with my son (12) and husband! My son is team Jeremiah. Mostly because he thinks he is cool and funny and that Conrad is too much drama to deal with. Husband and I are Cam Cameron fans! Although she doesn’t deserve him. My son got lots of cool points with his girl friends when he mentioned he was watching it. But I’ve had him watching teen rom coms with me for a while now! What about team Dawson or Pacey?!? I’m team Pacey!